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Celtic greeted with No Surrender banner in Hamburg

Celtic fans outraged at greeting from German fans

05 November 2009 18:05 PM

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Celtic greeted with No Surrender banner in Hamburg

Hamburg supporters had a surprise welcome inside the HSH Nordbank Arena ahead of their Europa League tie with Celtic. When the two teams emerged onto the pitch, fans behind the goal unveiled a huge display of a giant Union Jack with a banner unfurled underneath which read "No Surrender".

The 4,000 strong Celtic travelling support were stunned to find the old taunt at a foreign ground. They can after all get Union Flags from the rivals at home - though this was much more provocative than would be allowed in Scotland

With Uefa having dished out one improper conduct charge this week, the governing body will take an interest in what was obviously a carefully planned and well-organised show involving more than a thousand Hamburg supporters.

The phrase 'No Surrender' originates from the Siege of Derry, part of the fighting which led to the catholic King James II being ousted from power by his protestant daughter Mary and her husband William of Orange.

Rival fans always seek to wind up the opposition and in many cases it is seen as fair game around Europe. The memories of the infamous Celtic v Rapid Vienna games in the 1980s were quickly brought to the surface when the two sides were drawn in the same group in this year's Europa League.

But the European footballing authorities will be concerned that such a specific taunt, based on historical religious affiliations, has surfaced in this way at a showpiece occasion.

Fans of Hamburg's local rivals St Pauli were believed to be in the Celtic end of the ground as well. Hamburg fans were seen wearing Rangers shirts and scarves when they visited Glasgow two weeks ago.

Last updated: 06 November 2009, 01:22

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    1. 05 Nov 2009 18:59cbeebies said

    So its not only Rangers fans who misbehave. I hope the clubs management take action against their supporters as its ths kind of behaviour that leads to hate crimes.

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    2. 05 Nov 2009 20:05jboy said

    Let me get this straight?

    Celtic fans are "outraged" yet their own support spent the entire night singing pro terrorist songs?

    Please Mr STV SHow some balance. I have a family member that died at the hands of terrorist and yet people who are singing the support of them scream of outrage at a banner.

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    3. 05 Nov 2009 20:07thetruth said

    Maybe UEFA should be more concerned with the vermin amongst the Celtic support who polluted the atmosphere with their constant chants in support the I.R.A?

    cbeebies clearly has the IQ of a piece of plankton but maybe he/she might agree that the poisonous chants from the Celtic supporters in praise of child murdering terrorists might be more likely to lead to "hate crimes"?

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    4. 05 Nov 2009 20:12chucky said

    So No Doubt the British Press will be Blaming Rangers fans for this as well.

    Be as well to as they get the Blame for everything else.

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    5. 05 Nov 2009 20:21Nelster said

    Coming soon to STV Sport Website.

    "Gallant Celtic fans in Poppy Protest"

    Lets get it straight.

    No Surrender to the Irish Republican Army

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    6. 05 Nov 2009 20:52Gallop said

    These Rangers fans chucky and nelster are deluded the press and media are all Rangers lovers take the highlights with Rob Maclean right after the Rangers game he never even mentioned the trouble at the game unbelievable neither he nor gerry sorry terry Butcher mentioned it so the media are against you? Come on if it had been celtic they would have been in their glory with half the prog devoted to the Hooliganm celts and broken crests.

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    7. 05 Nov 2009 20:54Gallop said

    THE DAILY RANGER SORRY RECORD THE NEXT DAY LED WITH BAIN PROTESTS ABOUT THE POLICE BRUTALITY????oops caps Is this the press against you I wish celtic could get protection like that.

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    8. 05 Nov 2009 20:57Gallop said

    Jim Traynor never criticizes Rangers as he has lunch with Murray every sunday the press are against you? They spin any negative story about gers so that it puts them in the best light oh I forgot we are paranoid.

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    9. 05 Nov 2009 20:57jboy said

    So Gallop, are you going to apologise for your fans singing pro terrorist songs again? As I stated above I lost a member of my family to the terrorists your fans sing in support of? Much much worse that two words on a banner.

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    10. 05 Nov 2009 21:00Gallop said

    Rangers fans are digging a hole for themselves so big even their friends in the press and TV won't be able to help them out. The referees can't do them any favours anymore because technology has the world looking on at every decision therefore now we are hearing about paranoid Rangers supporters because everything isn't going their way

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    11. 05 Nov 2009 21:03jobo said

    I can't believe the intellect of the Hamburg fans here. Was it a satirical 'thank you' for 1943 when the allies flattened the place...

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    12. 05 Nov 2009 21:06Gallop said

    Yes I am it's an apology from me because I think that's wrong too I support the army 100% I have relatives in the army and navy I don't even dislike the Queen quite fond of her actually as I was brought up to treat everyone the same I never ever heard a bad word about protestants at home when I was young. I have never in my working life of many years had a catholic say a bad word about a protestant to me wish i could say that I have never been abused for being a catholic. I'm talking about the bias against celtic and the favouring of Rangers by the press and media I don't care about all that treligious stuff

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    13. 05 Nov 2009 21:06Gallop said

    Yes I am it's an apology from me because I think that's wrong too I support the army 100% I have relatives in the army and navy I don't even dislike the Queen quite fond of her actually as I was brought up to treat everyone the same I never ever heard a bad word about protestants at home when I was young. I have never in my working life of many years had a catholic say a bad word about a protestant to me wish i could say that I have never been abused for being a catholic. I'm talking about the bias against celtic and the favouring of Rangers by the press and media I don't care about all that religious stuff

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    14. 05 Nov 2009 21:16Gallop said

    I think the no surrender banner thing is a non event ?? I didn't bat an eyelid about it didn't upset me at all I've supported Rangers in Europe for years even though I'm a Celt as long as celtic were doing a little better than Rangers I would support them, it's not the club who have signed catholics and played them had a catholic captain etc it's the bias of the keith Jacksons Jim Traynors Rob Maclean etc I hate.

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    15. 05 Nov 2009 21:19Gallop said

    Have you listened to the radio when Rangers are getting beat Chick Jim and Richard are all nearly crying you have to listen back sometime it's like the world has ended when i switch the radio on I know the score if celts are getting beat they are all upbeat if Rangers are getting beat it's like someone has died easy to tell the score.

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    16. 05 Nov 2009 21:26thetruth said

    Gallop, is there a village missing an idiot just now, cretin?

    You mention the Daily Record (a comic fitting for a simpleton such as yourself actually) - Keith Jackson's report on the trouble in Romania was THE most exaggerated, hysterical, sensationalist piece of fiction you will ever come across! You mentioned Jim Traynor - this would be the same Traynor who said that the Rangers fans in Pamplona probably deserved a beating from the police because of the songs some sang?

    The facts (not something Celtic fans are usually fond of mind you) are that a complicit Scottish media continually exaggerate and sensationalise any minor incidents involving Rangers fans while sweeping under the carpet any misdemeanours involving their Celtic counterparts.

    So maybe its time you crawled back into your sewer and stop spouting your barely legible nonsense?

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    17. 05 Nov 2009 21:28Gallop said

    Do you know that in the last 10 -15 years about 35 celtic fans have been murdered after old firm games with not a cheep from the BBC or STv or any of the press. I heard it mentioned once when a guest (from one of the broadsheets) with Jim Delahunt told him at that time 15 had been murdered and delahunts jaw dropped in disbelief but it's true and can be proved by the police. Do you think that would be allowed to happen in this country if it was Rangers fans being murdered

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    18. 05 Nov 2009 21:37Gallop said

    thetruth, your the cretin are rangers fans not to blame for the situation they find themselves in by Rioting wherever the travel and constantly spouting anti catholic abuse even in Italy don't they bear any responsibility do you think you can beat up police and wreck cars etc with impunity without response of course the press here have to condemn it but what they do is 90% blame the police and the other fans while at the same time mention the minority always the minority the dozen in buchaest the 100 in Manchester that rioted what a farce you cretin what about some condemnation from you better not hold my breath ??

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    19. 05 Nov 2009 21:42Gallop said

    If it's not true how come Rob Maclean never mentioned the trouble on the highlights with Terry Buthcher.

    ps Please don't put me down I'm typing very fast and doing so will have bad spelling and typing errors if you want it grammatically correct with no spelling mistakes it will takie me ages as I don't type too well so I shorten words etc text style I can spell it's just that I can't use a keyboard very well.

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    20. 05 Nov 2009 21:44Gallop said

    I'm stating facts therefore I live in a sewer? You have not once comndemned Rangers hooligans who is the sewer dweller here?

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    21. 05 Nov 2009 21:48Gallop said

    Tell me thetruth do Rangers sing anti catholic songs or is it just the minority did they sign Catholics for a 100 years or was that a myth. Did they riot in portsmouth Manchester Pamplona Buchaest or did the press make it up and if this is not legible I think that it's you who has the problem with reading skills

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    22. 05 Nov 2009 21:50BIGBHOY said

    Gallop

    your fighting a loosing battle, what else can you expect from dog only barking.

    they are just raging because we know how to behave ourselves. its always gonna be someone elses fault as far as the shame are concerned.

    p.s you know you've won the argument when they start to complain about spelling and grammar.

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    23. 05 Nov 2009 21:56Gallop said

    I think thetruth has gone back to the vilage they were looking for him

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    24. 05 Nov 2009 21:58Gallop said

    oops village for the spell checkers

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    25. 05 Nov 2009 22:00BIGBHOY said

    the truth

    What the british did to Hamburg in 1943 a lot of people would describe as a war crime. It just goes to show that hatred transcends all, because the only thing that the gers and Hamburg fans have in common is hatred, they both believe they are supreme amongst men, and that all should follow their word, i.e. fascists.

    I doubt the rankers fans will see the irony in wearing their poppies

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    26. 05 Nov 2009 22:05Gallop said

    thetruth can you tell me was Machester one of your minor incidents or was it a minority or who the hells fault was it you idiot, cretin, simpleton well you did start the name calling one way of diverting from the truth.

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    27. 05 Nov 2009 22:05Gallop said

    thetruth can you tell me was Machester one of your minor incidents or was it a minority or who the hells fault was it you idiot, cretin, simpleton well you did start the name calling one way of diverting from the truth.

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    28. 05 Nov 2009 22:08BIGBHOY said

    Gallop

    dont be at it let him/her/it keep their name calling for themselves, beside the actual truth hurts a lot more.

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    29. 05 Nov 2009 22:09thetruth said

    Gallop - you ARE a cretin, that is clear from your postings.

    I would imagine Rob McLean and Terry Butcher never mentioned the trouble because their program is for football highlights.

    If you think the trouble hasn't received coverage in the media then you are clearly even more delusional than I first thought. My argument is that the level of coverage has been disproportionate to the incident and that this is usually the case where Rangers are concerned.

    However, if you and Bigbhoy think that one football highlights show not mentioning any trouble proves an overwhelming bias in the Scottish media then I think that shows the level of your intellect. I don't think we'll be seeing either of you on Mastermind any time soon, thats for sure.

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    30. 05 Nov 2009 22:13125awaydays said

    Why do septic fans always look to try to highlight the shortcoming of Rangers? Haven't you heard the saying people in glass houses? I would concern my self with sorting out the sizeable I.R.A. element in your own clubs support before highlighting other clubs fans.

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    31. 05 Nov 2009 22:18125awaydays said

    5 soldiers were tragically killed in afghanistan yesterday, however 'Rangers friendly' The Scottish Sun didn't deem this newsworthy enough & chose to highlight the 'Riot of Bucharest' instead on their front page & you 'septic minded' will have us believe there is a pro Rangers element at large in the media, do me a favour!

    Paranoia in every corner

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    32. 05 Nov 2009 22:25Gallop said

    thetruth you really are a cretin and obviously full of sympathy for the knuckle dragging imbeciles who caused the trouble in Bucharest Manchester etc etc the list is endless have you no words of condemnation for them is it all someone elses fault. You haven't answered one single point just took one example and simplified the argument in your favour that's very easy to do

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    33. 05 Nov 2009 22:25BIGBHOY said

    the truth

    Questioning intellect, and name calling shows you for what you are, give yourself a pat on the back.

    125awaydays

    The 5 soldiers dying is a tragedy of massive proportions, the fact that the sun chose not to make it front page news is nothing to do with Celtic.

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    34. 05 Nov 2009 22:28Gallop said

    Paranoi is what I've heard from Rangers fans recently when they can't get all their own way even if McCurry and Craig Thomson did the very best they could to help them. Oh please don't tell me mccurry never helped you out and don't tell me Thomson missed the penalty in the last old firm game he saw it alright.

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    35. 05 Nov 2009 22:32Gallop said

    125awaydays don't you read the previous posts and doesn't Rangers have UDA UDF whatever loyalist sympathisers what's the difference? as well as having the hooligan problem and the anti catholic problem so if I agree we have one problem will you agree you have three?

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    36. 05 Nov 2009 22:38Gallop said

    That Kris Boyds a diver isn't he?

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    37. 05 Nov 2009 22:43Gallop said

    I love the folk song The Fields of Athenry why do Rangers fans think it's got bigoted lyrics when it clearly hasn't yet they can't see anything wrong with singing "Up to our knees in f----- blood" maybe the intellectual poster thetruth or is it imposter can enlighten us.

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    38. 05 Nov 2009 22:46Gallop said

    F----- blood the Fen--- word isn't allowed it says !!!!!! proves that the media are anti celtic no??? That's a proper word which will most likely be found in any other forum in the world.

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    39. 05 Nov 2009 22:48Gallop said

    I have to laugh it's ironic thetruth didn't think the murder of 35 celtic supporters worthy of an intellectual mention.

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    40. 05 Nov 2009 22:48BIGBHOY said

    125awaydays, the truth

    How do rangers fans reconcile your ‘UDA,UFF,UVF,BNP,C18, White supremacy, ‘elements’ with your ‘lets shove our poppies down the Celtic fans throats’ elements. Considering the two views are polar opposites.

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    41. 05 Nov 2009 22:54Gallop said

    I wear a poppy for the soldiers who died in two world wars catholics and protestants jews muslims all religions I'm proud to wear it.

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    42. 05 Nov 2009 22:55Gallop said

    I love the folk song The Fields of Athenry why do Rangers fans think it's got bigoted lyrics when it clearly hasn't yet they can't see anything wrong with singing "Up to our knees in f----- blood" maybe the intellectual poster thetruth or is it imposter can enlighten us.

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    43. 05 Nov 2009 22:57chucky said

    Gallop, I take it with the amount of post's in the last hour or so you are a very lonley person with no one to talk to.

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    44. 05 Nov 2009 23:00Gallop said

    No I'm on 4 other websites too 3 nothing to do with football

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    45. 05 Nov 2009 23:01Gallop said

    I'm also looking after an ill person making tea etc just posting on the way past the pc i have to be very quick hence the mistakes

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    46. 05 Nov 2009 23:02Gallop said

    still waiting on a reply about the fields of athenry can't you all think of something to say.

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    47. 05 Nov 2009 23:02Gallop said

    I like you chucky

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    48. 05 Nov 2009 23:04BIGBHOY said

    chill out gallop ffs

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    49. 05 Nov 2009 23:09Gallop said

    ok wil do let someone else have a turn

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    50. 05 Nov 2009 23:17chucky said

    My dad say's I've not to speak to people that say that they like me.Sorry can't speak to you.

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    51. 05 Nov 2009 23:19Gallop said

    hehehehehe

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    52. 05 Nov 2009 23:44thebluebear said

    please take this rubbish wikipedia researched article back to its subjective online home...

    The Rangers fans are banned from singing the Faming Song due to it's religious undertones about Catholic immigration so why is the 'Cry was No Surrender' not if it is so 'blatantly' linked to the religiously based upheaval of a Catholic king?

    I can't wait for the police to ban that one next after this fine piece of journalism..

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    53. 06 Nov 2009 08:10Hamburglar said

    Now.. i know a lot of the MOPE's aren't the brightest but surely even they can take this with a pinch of salt as the wind up intended.

    Whats the point of football if you can't take the mick out of the oppositions fans?

    Scottish Football has too many in the PC brigade that just site around waiting to be offended. Get on with your life.. its a laugh.. its only a game of football.

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    54. 06 Nov 2009 08:37BIGBHOY said

    It was water of a ducks back as far as i'm concerned and obviously the fans that where there thought the same as ther was no trouble(as with all celtic matches).

    However if it hadda be a rangers match and the banner hadda said something like 'Tiochaidh ar la' the permanently raging woulda been foaming at the mouth.

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    55. 06 Nov 2009 10:24PUP0107 said

    John Reid last week called Rangers "willies" - we all know Johns loyalty, the man supported Tony Blair who should be tried for WAR CRIMES!

    Wait and see what happens on Sunday when Falkirk ask for 1 minutes silence.

    Celtic and it's under-current support are a disgrace. Their supporters are 99% Nationalists who want a United Ireland, they also support Scottish Independence.

    When a British club (Celtic) is insulted by wearing a POPPY to Remember - then it's clear to everyone what they stand for, there's not many of their support would wear a poppy either!

    All faith & culture should support the Union and leave Celtic & the Republicans behind!

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    56. 06 Nov 2009 10:46BIGBHOY said

    PUP0107

    I doubt you’ll realise the irony in trying to ram poppies down people’s throats and emotionally blackmail them into wearing them. Those men and women fought and died for many things, including freedom of choice and freedom of expression.

    So what if people want a united Ireland or an independent Scotland they are free to want what they like, that’s what happens in a free democratic world ye fascist.

    Clowns like you who hijack the poppy for their own ends are exactly what puts people of wearing one.

    As for ‘all faith and culture’, wise up would ye!!!!

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    57. 06 Nov 2009 11:46Antifa said

    I dont know why Rangers fans go on about Celtic and the I.R.A. The amount of UDA and UVF flags that were in the Hamburg end at Celtic Park was unreal. And a senior policeman at the Celtic end was heard telling a Celtic fan who had been attacked on London Road that he knew there were a lot of Glaswegians in with the Hamburg fans but there was nothing they could do about it.The No Surrender message last night never really bothered me, and I know a lot of Hamburg fans who are actually anti fascist and who would have been cringing at their own supports stupidity last night.

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    58. 06 Nov 2009 11:50Antifa said

    PUP0107

    Its amazing how those that love the poppy debate seem determined to force their opinions onto other people who have their own mind and thoughts regarding the British Army and its leaders. Seems like you want to remember those that fought fascism while also wanting to enforce fascist views and opinions on others.

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    59. 06 Nov 2009 13:09KRS2 said

    Big deal, a Giant Union Jack was displayed, hardly a crime? Glasgow Celtic fans like to fly the Irish Tri-Colour....a foreign flag in Scotland and again big deal. The NO SURRENDER Banner was also displayed, again big deal, it's not an oppressive slogan as some make out, it's taken from the Siege Of Derry when 'The Apprentice Boys' were defending themselves from aggressors. The term 'NO SURRENDER' has been and is used in modern times to signify Loyalty the Union and in some cases a defiant chant to militant republicans and those that support them that they cant bomb or shoot them out of Northern Ireland. The chanting of Tiocfaidh ár lá would be deemed as more threatening language as well as up the ra. Any chanting of Terrorist filth whether its Republican or Loyalist is disgusting, THe real shame of Scotland is the fans on both sides, it's pathetic just like the Scottish Premiership.

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    60. 06 Nov 2009 23:22Dogsarepeopletoo said

    Fitba eh? A big bunch of (second string) ballet dancers entertaining easily excited people who breathe through their mouths. Well worth all the spraff.

    You'd all do better to demand some proper athleticism and skill from the overpaid, over-rated, overgrown children that you pay so much of your hard earned cash to watch.

    300+ years on, in the name of sanity let it go.

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    61. 07 Nov 2009 02:32vimtoman said

    lets all just face it, rangers supporters (if they can call themselves that) has brought shame to scottish football, even thou they would probably prefer to support england than scotland anyway...i believe they should be banned from europe next season for causing trouble, mind you not that they will get into europe next season.. it will be the bhoys...

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    62. 07 Nov 2009 12:43Gallop said

    There is no hiding place for them this time Walter Smith has come out against them Rangers are really going to wash their hands of them now. Can you see them going to Catholic countries and singing all the F T P songs now I think those days are gone.

    Celtic fans are poles apart excuse the pun arthur, They are getting accolades and awards right left and centre. Why doesn't John Reid go over to Ibrox and give them tips on how to behave in Europe maybe take a player with him say Aiden Mcgeady to show the players how to behave on the park. A wee tip from me get rid of Novo you don't need any hooligans on the park at Ibrox and he's tried to break a few players legs and stamped on a few heads in games but strangely he's never had a bad press?

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